Glenn Greenwald speaks on working with Snowden and integrity in journalism

Wednesday, October 22, 2014
David Walmsley and Glenn Greenwald in conversation at the #CJFjtalk at the CBC's Glenn Gould Studio in Toronto. PHOTO: Alexandra Zakreski
By Laura Tribe Last night journalist Glenn Greenwald sat down with The Globe and Mail’s David Walmsley at the Glenn Gould Studio in Toronto to talk about his book, No Place to Hide, and his experiences meeting and working with Edward Snowden. Introduced by the CBC’s Jennifer McGuire, and the Toronto Star’s John Cruickshank, the evening began with a video of clips showcasing the strong stance with which Greenwald took the U.S. government (and others) to task. Speaking to a crowd full of journalists, Greenwald emphasized the importance of security measures in dealing with sources, but also placed great value on the importance of sources themselves. In particular, Greenwald strongly defended the integrity of Edward Snowden, the information he provided, and the way he handled himself coming forward. He described his first experiences with Snowden, which began with anonymous messages from someone named “Cincinnatus,” (Snowden) encouraging Greenwald to implement encryption for secure communications. Although at first Greenwald failed to adopt the secure communications tools, he was finally securely connected with Snowden through documentary filmmaker Laura Poitras, who travelled with Greenwald to Hong Kong for their initial meeting. Greenwald noted his surprise on actually meeting Snowden, saying that he was skeptical of a whistleblower so young and early into his career. This skepticism disappeared through a lengthy process of questioning Snowden and reading through the documents. That process is well documented in Laura Poitras’ new film, Citizenfour.
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(function(d, s, id) {var js,ijs=d.getElementsByTagName(s)[0];if(d.getElementById(id))return;js=d.createElement(s);js.id=id;js.src="http://www.cjfe.org///embed.scribblelive.com/widgets/embed.js";ijs.parentNode.insertBefore(js, ijs);}(document, 'script', 'scrbbl-js')); Once the first documents went public, Greenwald was impressed at how Snowden avoided the spotlight; he turned down countless interviews to keep the focus off himself and on the information that he disclosed. He didn’t want to distract from the government’s actions. Greenwald believes that Snowden’s experience has shown that it is possible for whistleblowers to come forward and question the government without an automatic life sentence. Snowden remains a vital piece of the conversation on changing surveillance practices, his girlfriend has joined him in Russia, and he continues to live a full life. Despite the secure nature of the documents he continues to work with, Greenwald has no fears of over-disclosing or leaking sensitive information. Rather, he’s worried that he is not disclosing enough. When asked how many of the Snowden documents he has yet to publish, Greenwald was hesitant to disclose a specific number, saying that it helped the authorities too much. But he did confirm that he had published “under 10 per cent” of the files he had received, and was working to increase that number substantially in the near future.
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Laura Tribe is CJFE’s National and Digital Programs Lead. Follow her on Twitter @ltribe. Can't view the live blog? Click here
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